Wrong to say "酒肉穿腸過，佛祖心中留!"

last SG · 2011-08-26T09:37:08+00:00

May I ask the meaning of this phrase "酒肉穿腸過，佛祖心中留"?I understand that the usual practice is to go vegetarian on certain days. How about if for instance you t...

Dawnfirstlight SG

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濟公有句名言：酒肉穿腸過，佛祖心中留！於是很多人就說了，學佛心好就可以了，吃甚麼無所謂！殊不知，吃就是行為，而心是行為的嚮導！
其實，濟公的原話下面還有一段：世人若學我，必定入魔道！這句話講的就是修行的功夫。也就是說，功夫沒到家的時候，你吃肉喝酒就會有心想，而做分別，並且過後會帶著慚愧懊惱，於是煩惱就接踵而至！業力就產生了！所以，濟公說的前句話，不是說吃肉喝酒的問題，而是修行方式不同，表面看起來瘋癲不拘小節，其實是外現羅漢相，內密菩薩行！而後兩句是說，這種修行方式，如果沒有悟道的人，不能依葫蘆畫瓢，否則，就會進入自我為主的狀態！
所以呢，我們看祖師的典故或者論著，要多請益善知識！避免盲人摸象，而是是而非！

If we can't be a full time vegetarian. It will be good if we can be a vegetarian for a few days in a month.

Amituofo

Punggol meegoreng SG

Where are the 濟公 temple in Singapore ?

Dawnfirstlight SG

Where are the 濟公 temple in Singapore ?

I'm not sure. 濟公temple is a taoist temple. I know about Buddhist temples but not so much about taoist temples.

Amitayus48 SG

酒肉穿腸過，佛祖心中留！於是很多人就說了，學佛心好就可以了

The output of 酒肉 has to correspondingly the same as it directly passed through the intestine. 心 has many types, flesh and blood, worrying mind, anger mind, self centric mind, female and male mind, political mind, capitalism mind, scientific mind, maths mind, sad mind etc.

宣化上人之所以这样说是因为在中国佛教史上有这样一则故事：

四川有一位真正得道的高僧，叫做宝香禅师。他四川住了很多年，也以种种方便法劝大家断恶修善。当地风俗，每逢祭祀必杀生。法师每年苦苦劝他们不要杀生，没人听他的。不但没人听，反而讥笑他。法师非常难过。有一年，有一位居士到京城拜见宝志公禅师。宝志公是观世音菩萨化身，宝志公问四川来的这位居士：「四川的香贵不贵？」居士笑曰：「四川的香很贱。」宝志公说：「既然贱，为什么不走？」居士听不懂宝志公的话。过几天，他回四川，见宝香禅师。禅师问他：「宝志公说了些什么话？」居士说：「他问我四川的香贵不贵，我回答很贱。宝志公说：既然贱，为什么不走？我听不懂。」宝香禅师听了点点头。过了几天，又有一个祭祀法会，大众依然杀许多牛羊猪祭祀。宝香禅师这一天跟往日不一样，他在寺院门口挖了很大的坑，像池塘一样，里面灌水。他也参加祭祀法会，也跟着吃鱼吃肉。以前劝他们不要杀生，今天跟他们一起吃鱼吃肉，众人觉得很稀奇。吃完之后，禅师走到坑旁，一张口，吃下的鱼都是活的，吐出来在水里游。吃下的鸡鸭，一个个都是活的。神通一现，大家都看呆了。吐完之后禅师站着往生。

realization SG

Just a bit more clarification with regards to Ji Gong temples...

He was Buddhist monk, but somehow he later got incorporated into the Taoist pantheon of deities. Today when speaking of Ji Gong temples, it would likely be with reference to Taoist ones set up for venerating him.

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- from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji_Gong

Daoji (simplified Chinese: 道济禅师; traditional Chinese: 道濟禪師; pinyin: dào jì chán shī) (1130–1207)^{[citation needed]}, commonly known as Ji Gong (simplified Chinese: 济公; traditional Chinese: 濟公; pinyin: Jìgōng, Master Ji) or (simplified Chinese: 济公活佛; traditional Chinese: 濟公活佛; pinyin: Jìgōng huófó, Living Buddha Ji Gong), was a Chán Buddhist monk of the Southern Song Dynasty in China. He was born with the name of Li Xiuyuan. (李修元). Some sources have cited his name as Lǐ Xiūyuán (李修缘, the only difference being the third character of his name). Dao Ji was also called Hu Yin (Recluse from the Lake) and Elder Fang Yuan (Square Circle).

Known for his wild and eccentric behavior while maintaining his compassionate nature, Ji Gong became a folk hero in China and was later deified in the Taoist community often invoked by oracles to assist in worldly affairs. Buddhists also invoke Ji Gong in folk stories and koans.

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sinweiy SG

in the Book of Buddhist Saints. a monk that's quite similar to Ji gong was 譬如金山活佛.

wow, never heard before:

濟公的原話下面還有一段："世人若學我，必定入魔道！"

must remember... to use, when my chinese chinese friend say "酒肉穿腸過，佛祖心中留!"

Domo Kun SG

The following article is from a Venerable:

If we can't be a full time vegetarian. It will be good if we can be a vegetarian for a few days in a month.

Amituofo

Sorry Domo Kun, I press the wrong button. Accidentally deleted your post. Your post becomes my post ...... he he he.............

Some Buddhists are vegetarian for 6 days or 10 days a month.

6 days are (according to lunar calendar) 8th, 14th, 15th, 23rd and the last 2 days

10 days are (according to lunar calendar) 1st, 8th, 14th, 15th, 18th, 23rd, 24th, 28th and the last 2 days.

It is ok if you miss some of the days due to some reasons or forgetfulness. Can always replace the next day as long as you did not vow that you must be a vegetarian on those days.

Even Master Chin Kong ate 肉边菜. He did not want others to specially prepare vegetarian food for him.

Dawnfirstlight SG

in the Book of Buddhist Saints. a monk that's quite similar to Ji gong was 譬如金山活佛.

wow, never heard before:

濟公的原話下面還有一段："世人若學我，必定入魔道！"

must remember... to use, when my chinese chinese friend say "酒肉穿腸過，佛祖心中留!"

Yeah, me too. First time hearing this. The 1st line is more popular than the 2nd line. So misleading.

Dawnfirstlight SG

Some Buddhists are vegetarian for 6 days or 10 days a month.

6 days are (according to lunar calendar) 8th, 14th, 15th, 23rd and the last 2 days

10 days are (according to lunar calendar) 1st, 8th, 14th, 15th, 18th, 23rd, 24th, 28th and the last 2 days.

It is ok if you miss some of the days due to some reasons or forgetfulness. Can always replace the next day as long as you did not vow that you must be a vegetarian on those days.

Even Master Chin Kong ate 肉边菜. He did not want others to specially prepare vegetarian food for him.

Domo Kun SG

Most Singaporeans only know first and fifteen of lunar month. The long queue at stalls explain everything.

sinweiy SG

first and fifteen of lunar month, better than nothing.

that said, if unlucky one enter into the lower realms, they will be relieve of suffering every first and fifteen of lunar month, due to this merit of this "precept".

Dawnfirstlight SG

first and fifteen of lunar month, better than nothing.

that said, if unlucky one enter into the lower realms, they will be relieve of suffering every first and fifteen of lunar month, due to this merit of this "precept".

Thanks for sharing. First time hearing it.

Domo Kun SG

first and fifteen of lunar month, better than nothing.

that said, if unlucky one enter into the lower realms, they will be relieve of suffering every first and fifteen of lunar month, due to this merit of this "precept".

I see. I heard buddhist temple bell ring, hell temporarily its punishment stop for awhile. Is that true too ?

Dawnfirstlight SG

I see. I heard buddhist temple bell ring, hell temporarily its punishment stop for awhile. Is that true too ?

Yes, it is true that when the temple bell rings, the hell beings are relieved from sufferings temporarily.

洪钟初叩,宝偈高吟。上彻天堂,下通地府.

In fact, any day is a good day to be vegetarian. Not necessarily to be on the 1st, 15th, 6 or 10 days.

sinweiy SG

first time heard of the bell. i heard is the recitation of Amitabha.

jmstar~ SG

Where are the 濟公 temple in Singapore ?

the tibetan buddhist temple in Lavendar is formally a 濟公 temple.

At present the tibetan buddhist temple has the statue of 濟公 on the altar

There are also other taoism stuff in this same temple.

2009novice SG

sort of reverse education to me :)

Domo Kun SG

Is Jigong a Bodhisattva or Arhat ?

Dawnfirstlight SG

Is Jigong a Bodhisattva or Arhat ?

My understanding is he is a arhat.

Domo Kun SG

Oh, I remember watching Xie Shao Guan’s show on Ji gong when I was young.

I dunno how many years never watch Singapore TV shows.